dr. anthony fauci in just a moment. but first we begin the hour in washington, where president biden's call for bipartisan unity is already facing major roadblocks. several key moderate gop lawmakers shooting down biden's ambitious legislative plans to combat the pandemic and restart the economy, while republicans and democrats cannot even agree on ground rules for running the new 50/50 senate. meanwhile nancy pelosi will set the one article of impeachment against now private citizen donald trump, where his second impeachment trial is set to officially kick off february 9th. one of the impeachment managers comes from eric swalwell. i spoke to my colleague tiffany cross this morning on what that trial may look like. >> if the senate allows witnesses, we will be ready with witnesses. it will be obvious who the witnesses are. it's not only people who had knowledge of what the president knew. the american people saw the

police officers who were beaten and spit on and stampeded, 50 of them injured, almost 20 of them hospitalized, one killed. cafeteria workers who ran for their lives. >> and new revelations about how far trump was going to go to overturn the election results. msnbc confirming reports from "the new york times" and "the washington post" saying trump and a justice department lawyer devised an unsuccessful plan to oust the acting a.g. and wield the department's power to force georgia state lawmakers to overturn its outcome. let's go from there to the white house where president biden is spending his first weekend in office. with a welcome to my friend nbc's monica alba in washington for us. what's on the president's schedule today? >> that's right, alex, it was a very busy first couple of days for the president and vice president. this is the first day much of the work is taking place behind

the scenes and not in front of cameras, with president biden expected to huddle with his advisers later this afternoon behind closed doors and not on camera. we did see in the first 48 hours more than 30 executive actions this president is now taking, some of them aimed at undoing what his predecessor put into place, some fresh, new coronavirus measures to battle the raging pandemic and beyond. what's so notable is we heard from president biden almost every time he's spoken since he was inaugurated talk about this collision of crises that the country is confronting. and he spoke specifically to the urgency he feels needs to be attached to that in a speech he gave yesterday. take a listen. >> the bottom line is this, we're in a national emergency. we need to act like we're in a national emergency. so we've got to move with

everything we've got. we've got to do it together. i don't believe democrats or republicans are going hungry and losing jobs. i believe americans are going hungry and losing their jobs. we've got the tools to fix it. we have the tools to get through this. >> also happening behind the scenes this weekend and tomorrow, alex. we expect top white house officials to be in touch with bipartisan lawmakers on what they can do about that $1.9 trillion coronavirus package and what the timeline could be now they have to also juggle this impeachment trial that's set to start in a couple of weeks. a white house official tells us as is customary for the biden family, they're expected to go to mass at some point this weekend, although they have not settled yet on which parish they will adopt at their go-to here in washington, d.c. quite yet. >> we're all curious to find out which one that will be. thank you very much, monica alba, for all of that

le joining me now as promised, dr. anthony fauci, director of the national institute of allergy and infectious diseases. he's also the top covid adviser for the biden administration. dr. fauci, very big welcome to you, sir. let's begin our conversation broadly. it's been just over a year since the first coronavirus case was identified here in the u.s. over that time it seems a lot of the american people lost page in the last administration's stewardship of this crisis. what message could you send to the american public today, right now, to reassure that there is a new and better way forward? >> well, i think it was really very clearly articulated not only publicly but by the president and vice president themselves in a meeting i just had a day and a half ago at the white house where the president made it very clear that what we were going to do going forward is everything is going to be based on science and evidence

and data. and science will rule and science will speed. we will be transparent. there will be bumps in the road. there will be potholes. there might be mistakes that we make. and what we're going to be doing is instead of pointing fingers, making blame, we're going to try to fix it. so the idea is transparency, honesty with the american people, and always make the scientific data and the facts guide what we do, be it our policies, our recommendations or our guidelines. that's a different tone actually. that's strikingly different. and that's the reason why even though there's still going to be a lot of challenges ahead, if you stick with the scientific data and our are transparent and open and honest with the public, i think you will see we will

move forward, despite the fact we have a lot of challenges ahead. >> may i ask you, doctor, i believe the word is liberating you used in the wake of the withhold thing with the biden administration. you said it was liberating now to work with this administration. may i ask you what it was like when you were working with the trump administration? you were in the room, when you were feeling perhaps suppressed from your ability to relay the scientific information you felt needed to go out to the american people, what was that like for you? >> is this well, obviously, it was -- it was not an easy situation. i always did speak based on the data and the science. but obviously, there was pressure about messaging that. and i have -- i took no pleasure in having to sometimes publicly even with the president there to contradict what he was saying, but i felt as a scientist i had to be true to myself and true to

the science to make sure that where there were things i thought might be misinformation that i would have to correct that. and there were a number of instances of that. that is not a comfortable situation. but i had to do it because i felt that the only way that i could maintain not only my own credibility but the credibility of the scientific enterprise was to speak the truth all the time but there was the constant pressure that sometimes the truth would be upsetting to some people. not necessarily the president, but -- including the president but some of the people around him. that wasn't only for me, but also, there was some very good people that were there in the staff on the coronavirus task force that also were under even a more difficult situation than i because they were political appointees and i had the advantage of not being a political appointee. but the bottom line what what i meant liberating is you could

feel you could tell the truth based on science, based on data, based on evidence, and you wouldn't upset anybody. because that was one of the things that's very difficult about it, it was having to always be wondering whether or not it would please the president or not or please certain senior staff members. and that's not the right thing to do. that just doesn't work that way. it should be the facts are the facts period. >> and just as a result of that before we get to more details of the vaccine, in fact, doctor, you're relegated for weeks, months at a time where you were not seen nor heard from publicly. what was that like for you? >> well, you know, i have what i call a day job. i run the national institute of allergy and infectious diseases, which is responsible in many respects for the development of the vaccines and therapeutics. so when i was not publicly there where you would see me out

talking about policy or what have you, i was still doing my job as it were. so i would have liked to have been having the capability, freedom to get out there and be talking freely, but if they would not let me out there, so be it. i was still doing my job. >> absolutely. i would spend time asking about brad pitt and his impersonation of you on "snl," which i know you enjoyed, but let's move to serious things in the vaccine and news related to that. there's a lot of it. we have some states reporting a shortage of doses, canceling appoints, among them being new york, california, ohio, west virginia. dr. fauci, what is the issue here? is it a distribution problem? is it a production problem? is it a planning problem? >> it no, it's a combination of a number of things. i think it's important that you brought that up. obviously, there are situations not working the way we would like it to work.

apropos of what the president and vice president has told the team, the way we've got to do it, we've got to fix it, figure out what it is. you're right. you can't run away from it. you get on the phone. you hear exactly what you're putting up on the screen, that it really varies. there are some areas, in states and cities where things are going very smoothly and there are other situations where that's not the case, where there are people who need and want vaccine that are not getting it. and where there are places where there's vaccine that are not being adequately and efficiently used. we've got to get into the trenches, figure out what's wrong and fix it. and that's really one of the challenges that we're facing. but that's really one of the -- i think positive aspects of what i talk about as the attitude of what the administration is right now. of recognize that there are problems, you know, don't whine over it, don't complain about it, blame anybody, just fix it and as quickly as we possibly

can. >> let's stay positive here with the numbers who have been vaccinated, more than 16 million thus far. almost 3 million of those have already gotten the second dose. i know you said this week 75% to 85% of americans should be vaccinated by the end of the summer. that will likely require more than 1 million vaccinations a day, which thus far appears to be the plan. how might the u.s. speed up the process to get to where you want it to be? >> it if you look at the plan the other day in the state dining room, president biden put up what's called a national strategy for the pandemic and that's a demonstration of what we need to get done. as we get further into the coming months, there will be an escalation of production of availability of vaccines, including the addition of other companies who have not yet gotten the emergency use authorization that likely will -- i don't want to get

ahead of the fda, but we're waiting on their data. so as you get further and further into this, the kind of things the president was talking about, community vaccine centers, much greater use of the pharmacies, mobile units to get things out. you're going to see a real revving up of the capability and actually implementation of getting much larger numbers of people vaccinated. so the goal we have of 100 million vaccines in the first 100 days, it's a laudable goal, i believe we'll be able to do that, but as we get further on into the subsequent months and a lot more vaccine available, then you'll see a much broader approach using these community vaccine centers and pharmacies, et cetera. so i believe we can do it. one of the things that's of concern to me and the reason why we're putting a considerable amount of effort into it is to get over the vaccine he's

tennessee that we see in some segments of the population, particularly and understandably minority populations who have some hesitancy, scepticism based on some historical mistreatments. so we really tried the best that we can and i was doing it actually this morning on some of the shows with people on some of the minority groups that you get out there and you explain that you understand the hesitancy they may have. but you go over the things that you need explanation of, why did we go so quickly? was that a compromise of safety? or is it just as it really was, a reflection of extraordinary scientific advances? so we need the vaccine, we need to get it implemented but we need to overcome the he's hesitancy associated with some segments of the population. >> duly noted for sure.

and if we reach that goal of 75% of americans getting the vaccine, potentially does that mean a return to prior pretaem life? at what point could that happen? could it be as soon as the end of the summer or not? >> it you know, i believe if we get that 75% to 80% of the population vaccinated, we would reach a degree of herd immunity that would get us to approach strongly a degree of normality. i don't think we're going to be absolutely where we were prior to this pandemic but we can be doing many things that we're really hesitant to do right now. i would say some time by the fall. again, that's contingent on a lot of things falling into place, including getting the people to accept the vaccine and be vaccinated. but i think we can approach a degree of normality as we get into the fall of 2021. >> doctor, we're watching people get the vaccine. in fact, you got your second dose of the vaccine. can you talk about what the experience was like for you, and

if you had any difficult side effects? >> no, i think there were anticipated side effects that certainly did not interfere with doing my job and even accelerating some of the things i had to do. what happened was after the first shot, i had a mild ache in my arm. i didn't feel any systemic sim symptomatology. after the second dose, eight or nine hours after my arm started to ache a bit. as we got into the evening, i felt quite fatigued, little muscle ache, maybe a chilly feeling. went to bed, woke up and by the time i got two-thirds of the way into the following day, i did feel back to normal. but i did feel fatigue, the things you would expect when you're getting an immune response. you get fatigue, a little muscle ache. i felt a chilly feeling. i didn't feel 100%. but it certainly didn't prevent

me from going to work and doing my job. >> okay, good to know. you allude a little bit to this, but the single dose vaccine from johnson & johnson, it could soon be up for emergency use authorization from the fda. when do you think that could happen? is it possible even that those doses could be in use by mid-next month? >> first of all, you don't want to get ahead of the fda because they're the pros that know what they're doing. but what we know about the accumulation of data, i would anticipate that within a period of likely no more than two weeks, that the data will be looked at by the data and safety monitoring board. if the data looked good enough to be able to say, okay, now we're going to put it into the appropriate format and present

it to the fda to determine if they feel it's appropriate to get an emergency use authorization. whether they do or not, that's up to the fda. but i think the data will be accumulated and examined likely within a period of two weeks. you got to be careful because, depend, there's always the ramping up of doses that if they do -- and this is just the scenario of what might happen, so i'm not saying it will, but let's say they do develop and get an eua in february, by the time they get a meaningful amount of doses, it likely will be a month or two following that. so you're not going to get an awful lot of doses immediately because they're still in the process of ramping up. once they get going into may, june, july, august, then you're going to see a sharp escalation of additional doses of this one-dose vaccine. and that's what i was referring to a moment ago when you wur asking me, well, how do you

think you could actually get that proportion of the population vaccinated let's say by the end of the summer? because as you get into the may, june, july, august, you're going to see a rather significant acceleration of the availability of doses. >> yes, to the point some are calling it a game-changer in fact. let me get into some of the details, doctor, we heard. this is actually coming from the johnson & johnson chief scientific officer paul stofls, who said the company aimed for 50% effectiveness but hoped and planned for 70%. that's compared to, what, 95% in the two-shot pfizer and moderna vaccines. is that percentage enough? given that number, how significant could the vaccine be in the effort to achieve herd immunity? >> you know, i think they need to be careful when someone says we hope for this. what he's really hoping for is much more than that.

so what i like to do, rather than getting into the game what you're hopeful you will get, look at the data and then you can examine it and look at how you're going to use the data in the next step you're going to take. so i just think it's dangerous to kind of anticipate what it would be. if it were less than -- significantly less than the moderna and pfizer, then you'd have to look at what the upside of this would be in certain parts of the world, for example. it's a single dose, number two, it's coldchain requirements are much less stringent to pfizer's certainly, and to some extent moderna. you might have a vaccine not close to the efficacy of another company's, you have to look at what are the particular advantages of that particular product. but i don't like to get into

that until i see the data. then it gets people doing imaginary construction of what might happen when you don't even have the data to talk about. >> is it look, i understand your time with us is limited so i will try to get in two more quick questions. the first being british prime minister boris johnson said the new united kingdom strain of covid may be around 30% more deadly. i know you said, doctor, this new strain likely spread all across the u.s. how worried you about this strain, also the south africa strain, are you concerned that is more deadly and could the vaccines even work for them? >> you know the data, i have not seen the raw data on the statements that it's more deadly. the press release said that if you look at the mortality if it were in certain age groups of people who before this became the dominant versus after it became the dominant strain, it was like 1 in 1,000 in a certain

age group. it went to 1.3 in 1,000. which really is not necessarily a dramatic increase. i would like to see all of the data before you can say that it really had a significant increase in mortality. what i think is more important or as important than that is what is happening with the ability of monoclonal antibodies and the vaccines that we now have and are using, whether it would impact the efficacy of those vaccines? and that's something we're looking at very, very carefully. thus far -- and i say thus far because this is an evolving situation, it looks like the uk strain, even though there might be a slight, if any deminute igs of the ability of the vaccine to block and constrain is this

virus, it's not going to have an impact on our program. the same holds true but a little more ominous for the south african icelet because the mutations makes some of the monoclonal activity not work against it and some of the it probably -- not probably but seems to be significantly more than the uk strain but is still within the framework of the vaccines that we're using still providing protection. so it's something you want to take very seriously, follow it very carefully and if -- this is a big if -- if it looks like it's evolving towards a situation where you might want to plan to modifying our vaccine in the future months, you need to be prepared for that. so bottom line, these are serious situations that we follow very closely and if necessary, we will adapt to it.

>> last question, dr. fauci, given the ee normty the number of issues related to this that weigh on you on a daily basis, is there one that keeps you up most at night? >> well, i mean, obviously, we want to make sure that the vaccines that we develop protect in a very powerful way people from getting, a, serious illness, any illness at all, and hopefully infection. so i wouldn't say it keeps me up at night but it's something i pay close attention to. the thing that has kept me up at night for years and years was getting into a situation that we're in right now with an historic pandemic, the likes of which we haven't seen in 102 years. >> dr. anthony fauci, all i can

say is get your rest. we need you. thech for being here. >> thank you very much, appreciate it. now members of congress are being investigated for trying toic that a gun on to the house floor. we'll tell you how he was caught before that happened and get reaction from one of his colleagues. new year's resolutions come and go. so give your business more than resolutions... give it solutions, from comcast business. work more efficiently with fast internet and advanced wifi. make your business safer with powerful cybersecurity solutions. and stay productive with 24/7 support. make this year's resolution better solutions.

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we can see each other not as adversaries but neighbors. we can treat each other with dignity and respect. we can join forces. so without unity, there is no peace, only bitterness and fury. no progress, only exhausting outrage. no nation, only a state of chaos. this is our historic moment of crisis and challenge and unity is the path forward. >> president biden reiterating the message that propelled him to the white house calling for unity.

but after a tumultuous month in american history where we saw a deadly riot on capitol hill and second impeachment of a former president, do members of what is now the majority party really have an appetite for unity? joining me now, congresswoman debbie dingell, democrat from michigan. she sits on the energy, kmrs and national resources committee. you're always welcome on this broadcast. in fact, let me make this observation. you always struck me as a lawmaker who reaches out, you listen to both sides of your constituency. but does that happen in congress? what does unity in congress look like when you may have members ever your party saying you know, we won so this is an opportunity to push our agenda and not necessarily unify? >> it's always great being with you. i don't think i've been on so happy new year. but i thought put 2020 behind us and 2021 is starting out the same. you know who i am, i am alz someone who reaches across the

aisle. fred upton, a good friend of mine, talk about this five, ten times a day. i work with members of congress on both sides of the aisle and i have every intention to continue to do that. there are members of congress that are from my home state or people i work on on other projects in which i'm very disappointed in some of the things they've done. i have gone and sat down and talked to them, why i think it's bad for democracy and community. but the fact of the matter is, we can't give it up. we've got to. biden's words were music to my ears when i heard him say that. he is the president of all americans, not just democrats, and that's what we haven't had for four years, quite frankly. it's time to pull together and every one of us in the house and senate has a responsibility to get our jobs done for the people we re-elect, we're tired of the partisan politics. they're tired of a lot of this whatever. i'll tell you, as a democrat, donald trump got 70 million

votes. a small portion showed up in the capitol and none of us, i'll never forget that day in history for our country. but a lot of people are upset and we have to listen to them too. republicans, we have to listen to democrats. god gave us two years one mouth for a reason. listen mere. >> you're aware the president signed a whole slew of documents his first day in public office, several of which the republicans are not happy about. is there one you advise the president to take that all sides might see as unifying act? >> you know what's bothering me, the fact that a 100-day mask mandate can be controversial. it's so refreshing, i love watching tony on your show and

several other shows, state the facts. tell people what they need to hear, not what they want to hear. we know masks save lives. of why can't we all just wear a mask and do it? how did it become so political? that's the first thing we did say say hooray for and all week we win. >> i will throw out a political question, how did it become so political, i think we're well aware how it became so political. but let me talk about the increased publicity on capitol hill. metal detectors were installed. and now capitol police are investigating whether one of your colleagues, andy harris, set off a metal detector near the house floor with a concealed gun. it is illegal to take a gun to the house floor. several of your republican colleagues have been evading the medical detectors. what is your reaction to all of that? >> in you know, we're a nation of laws and just because we're elected officials doesn't mean

that we can avoid or skirt the law. you have been around long enough you possibly remember this but i bet none of these freshmen, republicans or sophomore republicans, even remember john dingell. john dingell, for many years it was a time in 1960s and '70s, he slept with a gun until the day he died under his pillow but he never would have gone in the house with it with a rule saying you don't have a gun. and later people around the country, that is our responsibility. and the fear and stress now, everybody has to take responsibility and don't blame the staff, the staffer forgot to tell me to take the gun. you've got a gun on you, you better damn well know that gun is on you, better know how to handle it and follow the rules.

>> not evening knowing how to use the gun i find remarkable. you're on the commerce cabinet. one of the first actions was to block the keystone xl pipeline. what do you make of that action? people say it's going to cost jobs and raise gas prices. are those real concerns? do the benefits of stopping the pipeline outweigh the downsides? >> i think it's an immediate signal he's taking climate change seriously. i know he spoke to justin trudeau, and he some issues too. this is what i'm going to say going forward. i think it's very -- i do believe we've got to replace that energy. we need to know how to do it. we're seeing it, by the way, in other ways. when we talked about renewables, everybody had fits about sun and solar and wind and it turned out to be much less expensive. we need to diversify our resources and worry about the global climate. but we need to help everybody be at the table. i'm working on a lot of things

with aoc and others, i'm working on auto, where we will take auto, electric vehicles. but labor wasn't at the table last time. i have labor at the table. we need to have labor here. we need everybody at the table like we need republicans and democrats to come to the table. and we've got to make abe sure protecting our environment means protecting our jobs. it's not one or the other. we've got to take this stuff seriously and look forward to the future. we need to go to ev but we haven't built the infrastructure. so how are we going to do it? those are the issues we need to ask and joe biden is not afraid to ask them. >> before i say farewell, you might be amused, i have a cousin who lives in michigan watching you live and she said she's really great about reaching out to both sides. i thought you would like to hear

that there. thank you very much, debbie dingell occupants depict the mess left at the oval office, why it might be worse than what first believed. n what first believed

it's also important we frame this wasn't a heat of passion crime. we didn't do this with words just accidently slipping out of donald trump's rally. for words he called the calvary to washington. and he called it, stop the steal. if you're not an elected representative, the only way you can stop the steal is by taking a physical act. he told them, don't show weakness. >> impeachment manager eric swalwell this morning giving perhaps a sneak peek of what we might hear during donald trump's second impeachment trial, beginning just over two weeks from today. joining me now, zerlina maxwell, director of programming at

siriusxm and host of the show "zerlina" on peacock. and elise jordan, former aid in the george w. bush white house and msnbc political analyst. hey, good to see you here on a saturday. many elise, you first, what do you make of swalwell's arguments? there are a lot of tweets and speeches from trump himself in the past several months that could be used as evidence. do you think they have strong enough case? >> i absolutely think they have a strong enough case, alex. you look at the aftermath of donald trump's election and crescendo remarks the day of the insurrection, rallying for stop the steal. many and i think it's a very dominant position. and also donald trump reports he was sitting at the white house watching as the capitol was

december greated by a mob acting in his name. >> do you think this impeachment trial could hurt biden's plans? not that congressmen can't walk and chew gum at the same time, but will it inflame tensions of both parties where afterwards republicans can even be less inclined to work with the other side? >> i think we need to be clear here that republicans by and large have no appetite to work with joe biden, no matter what the political environment is. we're already seeing how many of the republicans wouldn't even acknowledge that joe biden wasn't dutifully elected president of the use in a legitimate election. how many republicans on day one blasted out press releases condemning joe biden for doing things like rejoining the paris climate accord and issuing executive orders. we're asking republicans to do what they've always done, which is hold republicans to one standard and democrats to another.

how many republicans are on twitter mocking joe biden for wearing a watch of some kind? i mean, give me a break. there's zero chance the majority of republicans have any appetite or interest in working with joe biden. so going forward to democrats in the biden administration, republicans shouldn't even be a consideration what they want to do. they delivered a majority in the house, the senate and the white house. they have a clear, concise mandate to legislate their agenda and nothing should stand in their way, especially republicans who for the last four years have turned a complete blind eye to executive overreach, abuse of power, everything donald trump has dong that has shredded our constitution and democratic norms, i don't think anything republicans think or care about should be in the calculus going forward. >> interesting. zuerleinia, we know biden himself is calling for unity but is unity possible without justice as perceived by the 80 million or so who voted for joe

biden, versus the 74 or so million who voted for president trump? i guess sorting it that way feels decisive rather than looking at the raw numbers and extrapolating feelings. >> sure, but i also think not everybody in the 74 million people were okay with what happened on january 6th, were okay with people violently attacking the capitol. it's amazing to listen to kurt, i forget sometimes he's a republican, here we are in this world where the spectrum shifted so far we are talking just straight facts. democrats should not moderate or adjust what they're going to do and their agenda based on perceived or projected criticisms of the republicans. republicans are going to criticize anything joe biden does. they're going to call it a leftist social agenda, whether he's for something further to the right or for medicare for all, which he's not proposed in this particular moment. so i think republicans are going to cast democrats far left no

matter what they do. so in order to get unity, you actually need accountability alex. this feels like a monument uppal week not just joe biden was sworn in but we feel we actually have a president for the first time in the entire pandemic. i think that once joe biden is able to at least put some of those things in place, i think some of this rhetoric can be ramped down but it's not going to be on the republican side. >> i got to say it was interesting talking to dr. anthony fauci earlier in the hour and different approach between the biden administration and trump association and how he felt navigating that. and let's listen to what house snort leader kevin mccarthy said on the january 6th attack on the capitol last week versus this week. here it is. >> the president bears responsibility for wednesday's attack on congress by mob rioters. he should have immediately

denounced the mob when he saw what was unfolding. >> they said former president trump and other important people provoked the folks to come to the capitol. do you believe former president trump provoked? >> i don't believe he pro folked if he listen to what he said at the rally. >> in so, okay, in an interview airing sunday with greta van suss tern, mccarthy is insisting he's not changing his tune but he said i think everybody across this country has some responsibility. what is your reaction to that? do you think we're going to see more republicans try to toe this new line? >> wow, i just -- kevin mccarthy, he has problems. how is he going to be able to fundraise going forward if he sticks to donald trump didn't do anything to provoke? in the immediate aftermath, some

separation, some republicans to take the opportunity to get rid of him so they can move on because they don't have, you know, the corporation of donald trump weighing down on everything they do going forward and re-emerging again in 2024. you look at kevin mccarthy and he's scared. he's obviously still scared about the republican base and you're watching the actions of a coward. >> i'm curious, zerlina, because i'm guessing you listening to last week versus this week has got to make your head want to explode? >> my head wanted to explode the entire four years, alex. i think certainly when you see kevin mccarthy contradict himself and essentially lie about what we all watched on television, the difference between any other trump controversy and the one on january 6th is we watched it on live television. and there's video of people whoa have been arrested by the fbi

saying, yeah, i went and attacked the capitol because donald trump told me to go. so i think differently than in a criminal court, there's not the same standard of evidence. at the impeachment trial beginning the week of february 8th, what's important to understand is all of that can go in as evidence. democratic impeachment managers are able to, quote, donald trump supporters who have been arrested by the fbi with zip ties and girls who stole nancy pelosi's laptop and tried to sell it to russia, these folks, all of those words are going to go into the record. so i think that certainly my head wants to explode because kevin mccarthy can't find a fact if it hit him in the face. but i think americans are rational for the most part. and they can look at the evidence and they will make the determination for themselves as the senate goes through this trial. >> let's take a listen, kurt, to something senator lindsey graham said this week.

here it is. >> donald trump will be the strongest voice in the republican party for years to come. if you're wanting to erase donald trump from the party, you're going to get erased. most republicans like his policies. a lot of republicans like his style. a lot of people are disappointed with him personally at times but appreciate the outcome he's achieved for our country. so this idea of moving forward without donald trump and the republican party is a disaster for the republican party. >> is that true, kurt? after all that's happened the past couple of weeks, what influence do you think trump will actually have moving forward? >> well, what i've just heard lindsey graham say -- and it's embarrassing, frankly, what has become of lindsey graham but putting that aside, he said -- let's talk about outcomes. 400,000 dead americans, that's a good outcome? a white nationalist mob trying to violently overthrow the united states government, hang the vice president, hold hostage lawmakers and executive speaker of the house, that's the outcome lindsey graham's talking about here?

the fact is donald trump is a symptom, he's not the cause of the rot that ensued inside the republican party for a very long time. look at what they say about immigration and hispanics and latinos in this country and you will see the rhetoric different change. all that changed is donald trump channeled that into one figure, one movement and they're able to have a leader to hang all of their racist remarks on. but the decision is clear, they have to decide whether they will be a party that continues to parrot white nationalist parties or not? and that decision will come through in a vote to impeach donald trump or not. it sounds like people like lindsey graham and ted cruz and mark rubio and josh hawley want to continue down this line to keep this a racist party. they're their prerogative. that's fine. but we've already seen in the midterm elections the american people rejected the racist party of the american politics, election cycle after election

cycle, and they're putting themselves on the permanent path of staying in the minority and out of the white house because the reality, essential graphics in this country is changing and have been for a long time. we know this. by 2045, this country will be a minority majority country. and as long as republicans move away from american, hispanics, anybody but white people, they will find themselves on the wrong side of power with only themselves to blame. >> thank you all so much. kurt, i want to go water skiing on that water slide behind you. and be sure to catch "zerlina" on 6:00 on the peacock channel, the choice. and the confirmation hearing this week that is the biggest risk to u.s. national security. y it's a reason to come together. it's a taste of something good. a taste we all could use right now. so let's make the most of it. and make every sandwich count. with oscar mayer deli fresh

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this week biden cabinet nominee spoke to the looming threat china poses on u.s. national security during the senate confirmation hearings. joining me now is a former u.s. ambassador to iraq, poland, south korea, macedonia, christopher hill. welcome back, ambassador. it's good to see you. let's first take a listen to just how china was addressed at this week's hearings. let's listen. >> president trump was right taking a tougher approach to china. i disagree very much with the way he went about it. >> their an adversary we have to work on those issues in particular countering their illegal, unfair aggressive actions in these spaces. >> we need to take on china's abusive, unfair and illegal practices. china's undercutting the american companies by dumping

products, erecting straight barriers and giving illegal subsidies for corporations. >> so there's the proof that the u.s. is taking a hardline approach to china. do you agree with that and should china be across the list of countries getting attention? >> there's no question china is not the china four years ago, let alone the china where we felt we did have a working relationship. i mean, it's kind of gone downhill. certainly the events in hong kong have been tough, some of the events in shenzhen for the uighurs have been horrific. and, of course, there's been the issue of a regime when which doesn't want to open up, doesn't want to explain things. so when president trump kept referring to the china virus and wuhan virus, there was a lot of resonance for that among the american people. the president wants to have the

capacity to talk with the chinese and work with chinese on some issues. it won't be like secretary pompeo shooting off invectives from so,000 miles away. but it's going to be a long way back if we're going to see a return from some more cooperative relationship. >> is there a certain step you would like to see the biden administration take? >> i'm always in favor of looking at sort of third country issues. i think we can sit down and stare at the chinese and stare at us. i don't think we'll make much progress on the bilateral issues kind of laid out there. certainly, we've got to work together on climate and we've got to work together on that hardy perennial north korea. they're not a lot of fun to deal with. china has been kind of hard to work with on that but i think we're in a position now where we're going to find working with them is tough enough but working against china is near impossible. i would look at north korea and

climate issues, as two areas where we might be able to have some understanding. >> in terms of getting proof of that, there was a tweet, i'm sure you saw it on friday, it was from china's foreign minister spokeswoman who said, quote, a new day for u.s. as said by american media. we wish the same for china/u.s. relations, unquote. do you take that at face value? is there proof you would want to see that they mean what's been said there? >> that's a big question, alex. the real -- they're going to say that. they usually say that at the beginning of every u.s. administration. but they're going to have to take a hard look at the mirror. they're going to have to look at what they're doing in these places like hong kong and shenzhen. i think they're going to have to look at how they're acting in the world, whether that's sustainable. it's not the u.s. that has a lot of problems with china these days. our european partners do. china has really created a situation for itself when we

look at international polling, they're not a very popular country. it was just that donald trump kind of obscured the fact china's leadership had a real difficult time explaining what it's doing. china has a lot of work to do even before they sit down across the table from us. >> okay. former ambassador christopher hill, always good to see you, sir. thank you so much for your insights . the new impeachment timeline, i will speak with an impeachment manager on that. and my clean steve kornacki at the big board with a ranking in popularity, how president biden compares with his predecessors. ith his predecessors lease the 2021 nx 300 for $359 a month for 36 months. experience amazing at your lexus dealer.

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